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Dr. Derek Cabrera
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Dr. Derek Cabrera

Systems & Cognitive Scientist · Mountain Guide · Counselor

Discovering the universal organizing primitives that structure mind and reality.

Derek earned his PhD at Cornell and was a member of the Cornell faculty from 2005 to 2026. He developed DSRP Theory and O-Theory and co-founded the Cabrera Research Lab. He is President of the Academy of Systems Thinking, a former Fellow of the Santa Fe Institute and the National Science Foundation, and a member of the Systems Engineering Advisory Board at West Point. He has written eleven books, given two TED Talks, and has guided in the mountains for more than 35 years.

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Dr. Laura Cabrera
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Dr. Laura Cabrera

Systems Scientist · Translational Researcher

Translating scientific discovery into practical methods for human thriving.

Laura earned her PhD at Cornell and was a member of the Cornell faculty from 2005 to 2026. She co-founded the Cabrera Research Lab and leads its work turning research into practice. She is Board Chair of the Systems Thinking Standards Institute, a Fellow of the Academy of Systems Thinking, and a member of the Systems Engineering Advisory Board at West Point. She has written five books, including the award-winning Systems Thinking Made Simple.

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